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Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness
30 episodes
Do We Really Get Along & Alzheimer's Update
Ep 31 · Aug 11, 2026 · 48 min
Recently, a dear friend asked me: "Do you and your husband actually get along all the time? Tell me the truth." So this week on Laugh Lines, we are pulling back the curtain on what it’s actually like to be married, raise kids, AND work together every single day. We talk about the things we’ll probably never agree on, why I have decision fatigue, and how sometimes it’s okay to go to bed angry. We also get an update on Penn’s Alzheimer’s prevention journey. He recently overdid it at the gym and de…
Rejection Sensitivity & ADHD with Dr. Sasha Hamdani
Ep 30 · Aug 4, 2026 · 1 hr 7 min
Have you ever replayed a conversation in your head for three days because someone might have been upset with you? Friend... same. This week on Laugh Lines, Penn and I sit down with psychiatrist and ADHD expert Dr. Sasha Hamdani to talk about something that completely changed the way we understand ourselves: Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria (RSD). If you've ever been called "too sensitive," taken criticism way too personally, or apologized a hundred times a day, this conversation might explain why.…
Wait, Are We "Gentle Parenting?" with Jon Fogel
Ep 29 · Jul 28, 2026 · 1 hr 6 min
Penn and I have joked about gentle parenting on this podcast more than once. As Gen X parents, it always sounded a little... soft. So when parenting coach Jon Fogel joined us, we figured we'd have a lively debate. Instead, about halfway through the conversation, we looked at each other and thought, "Wait... have we been gentle parenting this whole time?" Also, what is gentle parenting? (Apologies in advance for the many references to Penn getting hit in the balls by a pool noodle.) Jon helped us…
Empty Nest Lessons & Estrogen Shortages
Ep 28 · Jul 21, 2026 · 60 min
This week on Laugh Lines, Penn and I not only strip down due to our A/C being out... AGAIN! We also tackle two things I never expected to happen in the same podcast: Becoming an (almost) empty nester and hunting down an estrogen patch like it was contraband due to a recent shortage. We discuss my hormones going on strike, and a voicemail from a mom preparing to send her child to college inspired us to share the biggest lessons we've learned after Lola's first year away. We also revisit "Father o…
Beach Reads, Blockbuster, & Writing Your Novel with Emily Giffin
Ep 27 · Jul 14, 2026 · 55 min
What do Blockbuster cards, Duke basketball, and a lifelong dream of writing a novel have in common? Somehow they all end up in this episode! This week, Penn and I are joined by #1 New York Times bestselling author Emily Giffin, whose books have defined the modern "beach read" for millions of readers. (And I love a beach read, y'all.) Her latest book, Love You More, just came out this month. Emily shares the path that took her from practicing law to becoming a beloved novelist, and how she create…
College Advice From Our Daughter, Lola Holderness!
Ep 26 · Jul 7, 2026 · 40 min
Last year, I was the mom crying in the Target parking lot while buying dorm room supplies. This year? Our daughter Lola is back home after her freshman year of college, and apparently... she knows things. So we handed her the microphone. In this episode of Laugh Lines, Lola shares everything she wishes she'd known before moving into her dorm - from making friends in those first overwhelming weeks to building good study habits, surviving finals, handling competitive clubs, and why you definitely…
Career Advice & Gen X Cold Case
Ep 25 · Jun 30, 2026 · 48 min
This week on Laugh Lines, Penn and I cover a lot of ground... from career advice for creative dreamers to one of the greatest unsolved mysteries of our childhood: Whatever happened to the prize inside of box of Cracker Jacks? We discuss the World Cup reactions, answer your questions about public speaking and irrational fears, and explain why I identify as an iPhone with a very questionable battery. We also issue a challenge to our listeners... how long can you watch a TV show without your phone?…
Attacked by Love Island & Stop Saying "That's The Way It Is"
Ep 24 · Jun 23, 2026 · 49 min
This week on Laugh Lines, I learned two things about myself: I'm deeply triggered by people yelling at graduation ceremonies and I'm officially old enough to be attacked by Love Island. I also learned that I seriously dislike the phrase "that's the way it is" and feel it needs to be banned immediately. Penn and I cover a lot of important topics from our couch this week, including: Our week without air conditioning, "Gen X revenge" involving a dumpster, and what it's like having a son away in Fra…
Running Man Fights Alzheimer's & Gen X Relics
Ep 23 · Jun 16, 2026 · 53 min
This week on Laugh Lines, we're making a strong case that the Running Man may be more powerful than we ever realized. After reading a fascinating study on dancing and brain health, I convinced Penn to join me for one of my dance classes to see if shaking it off could help keep cognitive decline at bay. What followed was a reminder that Gen X may have one competitive advantage over younger generations: We absolutely crush the Running Man. (Why can't Gen Z do this?!) We talk about the surprising i…
Courage To Commit with Shawn Johnson East & Andrew East
Ep 22 · Jun 9, 2026 · 49 min
Ever found yourself stuck in the paralysis of too many choices? This week, we're joined by Shawn Johnson East and Andrew East to talk about their new book, Courage to Commit. Yes, Shawn is an Olympic gold medalist. Yes, Andrew played in the NFL. And while they are both super talented and successful, their lives have taken commitment and work. We live in a world that constantly tells us to keep our options open. But when you choose something, whether it's a relationship, a career path, a healthy…
Gen X Retirement Home
Ep 21 · Jun 2, 2026 · 51 min
When a visit to a memory care facility turns into a brainstorming session for the ultimate Gen X Retirement Home "in the year of our lord Dolly Parton 2026"... This week on Laugh Lines, Penn and I reflect on a visit with his mom and find ourselves imagining a future filled with Oregon Trail reenactments, Running Man lessons, prank calls, and Pantera during music hour. We talk about the surprising connection between music and memory, why laughter and grief often show up together, and what we'd wa…
Vacation Realizations & Digestive Situations
Ep 20 · May 26, 2026 · 46 min
This week, Penn and I are back from vacation and sharing our biggest realizations… including why people who travel with carry-on luggage only might actually be in a cult (but after losing our luggage twice in one trip, we are joining it!) We take official carry-on vows, talk about why you should never have a massage if you think you might crap your pants, and we time travel with music from scrubbing grout on Saturday mornings with Chuck Mangione and to the orthodontist chair with The Alan Parson…
Dad Jokes & Teen Texts with Dave Ogleton and Chip Leighton
Ep 19 · May 19, 2026 · 51 min
This week on Laugh Lines, we invited two of the funniest dads on the internet to join us. We interview Dave Ogleton (@fitdadceo) - the viral King of Dad Jokes and author of So Dad It’s Good. And we also talk to Chip Leighton (@the_leighton_show) - the viral creator behind those hilariously confusing teen text exchanges and author of Dad, Can You Not? Dave and Chip help us answer life’s biggest parenting questions. Questions like: Does every Dad start laughing before he tells a joke? Is cringe a…
Let’s Do Medium Maycember with Rachel Feintzeig
Ep 18 · May 12, 2026 · 45 min
If your family calendar currently looks like a game of Tetris designed by a sleep-deprived raccoon… welcome to Maycember. It's called Maycember because it's busy like December without any of the fun twinkle lights. But here’s a little secret: Penn and I are almost out of Maycember… and it’s kind of amazing. We talk about what it’s like to finally reach the other side of the chaos and why, for those of you currently crying in a school parking lot while hot-gluing a costume together, there really…
Kicking Alzheimer's Butt & Your Questions with Dr. Richard Isaacson
Ep 17 · May 5, 2026 · 57 min
If you’ve been following along, you know Penn recently found out he has two copies of the APOE4 gene - basically the “high risk” genetic lottery for Alzheimer’s. And while we thought we were prepared for that news… we weren’t. It hit hard. For both of us. But this episode is not about fear. It’s about hope. This week we are sitting down (again!) with Dr. Richard Isaacson (the brain behind Penn’s prevention plan and one of the leading voices in Alzheimer’s prevention) to answer YOUR questions. An…
Being A Good Human & Birth Vibes with Jen Hamilton
Ep 16 · Apr 28, 2026 · 45 min
If there were ever a masterclass in being a good human… this is it. In this episode, Penn and I sit down with Jen Hamilton and y’all… She is exactly who you hope she is. Warm, hilarious, wildly honest, and the kind of person who makes you want to be better just by being in the same room. We talk about her new book Birth Vibes and cover what really happens in a delivery room. Jen has a gift of making the most awkward, messy, human moments feel normal, safe, and… dare we say, funny. But what makes…
We Sang What?! 90s Music, ADHD Identity, & Space Cadet
Ep 15 · Apr 21, 2026 · 47 min
I have a confession: I spent most of the 90s singing along to songs without having any idea what they were actually about. So this week on Laugh Lines, we go down a full nostalgia rabbit hole: CD booklets, radio station shoutouts, and the absolute shock of realizing some of our favorite 90s “bops” were not exactly PG. (How did we miss that?!) We take some calls from the Laugh Line. I share more about my ADHD diagnosis and how it’s shifted the way I understand my brain and my emotions. And then (…
Life On The Spectrum with Tanner Smith
Ep 14 · Apr 14, 2026 · 36 min
This episode of Laugh Lines stayed with me in the best way. This week, Penn and I sit down with Tanner Smith from Love on the Spectrum, and what starts as an interview quickly turns into something so much more meaningful. Tanner shares what it’s like to live on the autism spectrum in a way that’s honest, empowering, and incredibly hopeful. He reminds us that autism looks different for everyone. It can mean learning differently, needing more time, having deep passions, and even living a full, joy…
ADHD, Alzheimer’s & Life Lately
Ep 13 · Apr 7, 2026 · 44 min
This week, Penn and I share some real-life updates from our house. I was recently diagnosed with ADHD at 50, which turns out… there were signs. I’m learning what that actually means for my brain, my emotions, and honestly, my entire life up to this point. (Something called “doom piles” should have honestly exposed my ADHD years ago.) Penn also shares an update on his journey to protect his brain health from Alzheimer’s. We talk about what he’s trying, what we’re learning, and how we’re thinking…
Finding Joy Anyway with Kate Bowler
Ep 12 · Mar 31, 2026 · 52 min
There are some conversations that feel like a warm hug. They make you laugh, feel safe, and a little like you want to cry. Today's show is all of the above. This week on Laugh Lines, we sit down with New York Times bestselling author, podcast host, and Duke University professor, Kate Bowler. (And I’m just going to say it... I would like to formally submit my application to be her best friend.) Kate’s new book, Joyful Anyway, asks a question that stopped me in my tracks: What if joy isn’t somethi…
Is This 50? (Happy Birthday, Kim!)
Ep 11 · Mar 24, 2026 · 41 min
My favorite human is turning 50! If you know my wife, Kim, you know she is very self-deprecating and adorable about getting older. Kim thought 50 might feel like a big, Oprah-level moment. (Like angels singing... all-knowing wisdom... maybe a sudden ability to fold a fitted sheet.) Instead, it’s been a mix of gratitude, a little existential panic, and a lot of honest questions like: Is this what 50 is supposed to feel like? In this episode, we look back at what Kim thought 50 would be (Golden Gi…
Make Sleep Suck Less with Dr. Chris Allen
Ep 10 · Mar 17, 2026 · 53 min
If you’re celebrating the rare night when you don’t have to get up to go to the bathroom… welcome. You are among friends. Sleep is one of my favorite topics. Penn and I often joke that I don't have FOMO (Fear of missing out) I have FOMS (Fear of missing sleep). As much as I love sleep, I also struggle with it. So this week, we invited Dr. Christopher J. Allen (also known as "Sleep Dr. Chris") to help us figure out why sleep gets harder as we age and what we can actually do about it. In this epis…
The Emotional Side of ADHD with Dr. Tamara Rosier (Part 2)
Ep 9 · Mar 10, 2026 · 58 min
Last week I shared that I was diagnosed with ADHD at 49. It was a big moment for me, and judging from your messages (thank you for those!) it resonated with a lot of you too. So this week, Penn and I continuing the conversation with someone we absolutely adore, ADHD expert Dr. Tamara Rosier. In this episode we dig into something that doesn’t get talked about nearly enough... the emotional side of ADHD. Why do ADHDers feel things so big? Why can small moments feel overwhelming? Why do shame, perf…
Surprise... Kim Has ADHD (Part 1)
Ep 8 · Mar 3, 2026 · 46 min
For years, I’ve stood on stages and said, “Hi, I’m Kim. I don’t have ADHD, but I love and support people who do.” Penn and I wrote books, made videos, and chatted on podcasts about it. I’ve given advice about how I partner with my ADHD husband and parent my ADHD son. And then (at almost 50 years old) after an extensive evaluation process and a lot of hard conversations, it turns out... I have ADHD too. Surprise. In this episode, we talk about my journey, why the signs were always there, and how…
Bridging the Political Divide with Roy Cooper
Ep 7 · Feb 24, 2026 · 50 min
This week on Laugh Lines, Penn and I sit down with former North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper to talk about bridging divides in a world that feels angrier by the minute. And yes, we know - politics can feel exhausting. But this conversation felt different. It felt human. It felt hopeful. It made us smile. Governor Cooper shares why he believes we are not as divided as social media makes us think, what it takes to work across party lines, and how faith has shaped his life of public service. We als…
When You Speak Different Love Languages with Dr. Gary Chapman
Ep 6 · Feb 17, 2026 · 54 min
If you’ve ever thought, “I'm showing love to my partner, so why don’t they feel it?” This episode is for you. This week on Laugh Lines, we’re talking to the actual human who gave us the phrase “love language.” Yes. The one, the only... Dr. Gary Chapman. Dr. Chapman is the man behind the famous book, The Five Love Languages. He joins us to talk about what happens when you and your person are speaking completely different love languages, and why dialect of a love language is also important. 'Acts…
Creating Friendships That Matter with Jennifer Wallace
Ep 5 · Feb 10, 2026 · 59 min
This week on Laugh Lines, Penn and I talk about something that sneaks up on a lot of us in midlife: friendship, purpose, and the quiet fear of wondering if we still matter the way we used to. We’re joined by New York Times bestselling author Jennifer Wallace (straight from Oprah to Laugh Lines!) who explores why feeling seen, needed, and valued isn’t just nice... it’s essential to our well-being. The three of us dig into what “mattering” really means, why so many adults feel lonelier than they e…
This Is Who We Are
Ep 4 · Feb 3, 2026 · 40 min
The world feels heavy and instead of trying to joke our way around that, this episode is about sitting with it. This week, Penn and I talk about how a post we made about hope turned into a political statement, the process behind the scenes, and how we're feeling. We are very lucky to have a fun job, but it doesn't mean it's not challenging in times like these. Sometimes it's hard to make comedy when you want to cry. We know you came for the humor, we hope you'll stay for the humanity. Penn and I…
If You Need A Laugh Right Now
Ep 3 · Jan 27, 2026 · 43 min
This week calls for a hug and cookie cake that says “Happy Birthday” (even though it’s nobody’s birthday... more on this in the show.) If you’re feeling worn down, overwhelmed, or just need a break from everything feeling so heavy, this episode is for you. We’re talking about the little things that make us laugh when the world feels like too much. Snow day chaos. January being the longest Monday of the year. Dogs in slow motion. Buying dessert for no reason. Letting your spouse be a dancing bear…
Debunking Health Trends with Dr. Eric Topol
Ep 2 · Jan 20, 2026 · 1 hr 4 min
What do collagen powders, weighted vests, parasite cleanses, and protein bars all have in common? (According to our favorite no-nonsense doctor, probably a lot less science than TikTok would like you to believe.) This week on Laugh Lines, we’re welcoming back the wonderfully persnickety Dr. Eric Topol to help us debunk the health trends that keep popping up in our feeds (and in our shopping carts.) After our last conversation, we were flooded with listener emails, voicemails, and questions, so t…
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